What were the things you learnt?� You talked about being inspired or opened up by the way he did his thing. When you see all these people, doing it, living the way they want to, did you come across a moment when something said or something you saw changed the way you approach your own art?

Change my attitude?

Your attitude to what you do, or reset goals…

You know what’s really cool, it’s like, all the little beautiful nuggets of wisdom that all these artists dropped on us when we were producing this or while I was editing this, every single bit, it didn’t really surprise me…. Actually, what surprised me was that everything they said just reaffirmed that� it's about being compelled to make things, or having the passion or determination, or the persistence… There’s always this constant theme. Everybody says, ‘Be persistent’, you know? If you really love what you do, it doesn’t matter what people think about it or anything. Just persist. If you have that thing inside you that just compels you to make things, to work, then keep going. And so everything, as I was editing it, listening to all the beautiful things they were saying, it just reaffirmed. It inspired me.
I remember this one cut out from the edit. It was unfortunate, but there was just nowhere to put it in. Like someday, five years on, if we ever do a deluxe version with super-bonus-extras, I’ll put all this stuff in because there’s this amazing thing that Ryan McGinness said, and at first I thought, 'Oh, that’s kind of harsh!' because it’s so blunt and so true. He said, “People always ask me, ‘How do I be an artist’, or ‘Should I become an artist, should I go to art school…', and Ryan says, 'If you have to ask that of yourself, well don’t’. It’s probably going to be a horrible way of life for you if you think about it. Because for all artists, you don’t have to ask that. You just do it. Otherwise it’s uncomfortable if you’re not doing anything. 'Don’t be an artist if you have to ask', which I first thought was kind of harsh, but it’s true.

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